"I Think It Was All Justified": 'Hacks' Hannah Einbinder and Jean Smart Dissect Ava and Deborah's Turbulent, Toxic, and Loving Relationship in Season 4

Hacks' Hannah Einbinder and Jean Smart discuss Ava and Deborah's toxic, loving relationship, Ava's devious move, and Deborah's attempts at revenge.

May 10, 2025 - 13:46
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"I Think It Was All Justified": 'Hacks' Hannah Einbinder and Jean Smart Dissect Ava and Deborah's Turbulent, Toxic, and Loving Relationship in Season 4

Editor’s note: The below interview contains spoilers for Hacks Season 4 Episode 6.That Hacks Season 3 finale twist, when a fuming and forlorn Ava (Hannah Einbinder) decides to embrace her dark side and blackmail her mentor Deborah (Jean Smart) into giving her the Late Night head writer position, completely recalibrated the series and thrust it — along with Ava and Deborah’s relationship — into uncharted territory. How on Earth were these two comedy soulmates ever going to come back from this — and get Late Night off the ground, no less?